1 00:00:00,150 --> 00:00:20,150 [Music] 2 00:00:27,990 --> 00:00:22,770 greetings citizens and welcome to 3 00:00:30,179 --> 00:00:28,000 unknown I'm Jason McClellan thanks for 4 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:30,189 hanging out with me we're only a couple 5 00:00:34,710 --> 00:00:32,650 weeks away from the Roswell UFO festival 6 00:00:35,369 --> 00:00:34,720 that takes place every year in Roswell 7 00:00:37,830 --> 00:00:35,379 New Mexico 8 00:00:41,430 --> 00:00:37,840 to commemorate the alleged crash of a 9 00:00:44,729 --> 00:00:41,440 UFO or UFOs in the desert outside of 10 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:44,739 Roswell back in 1947 there hasn't been a 11 00:00:48,210 --> 00:00:46,330 tremendous amount of new information 12 00:00:50,700 --> 00:00:48,220 related to the Roswell incident to 13 00:00:54,569 --> 00:00:50,710 emerge in the past couple decades some 14 00:00:57,959 --> 00:00:54,579 but not much but by far the most 15 00:01:01,200 --> 00:00:57,969 exciting recent activity is the research 16 00:01:03,270 --> 00:01:01,210 of Roswell resident Frank Imbler rank is 17 00:01:04,740 --> 00:01:03,280 a geologist and an assistant professor 18 00:01:08,310 --> 00:01:04,750 of earth science at the New Mexico 19 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:08,320 Military Institute in Roswell he spent 20 00:01:12,570 --> 00:01:10,210 considerable time searching the debris 21 00:01:15,210 --> 00:01:12,580 field an area once covered with wreckage 22 00:01:18,029 --> 00:01:15,220 and debris from the alleged 1947 UFO 23 00:01:21,359 --> 00:01:18,039 crash and he's found some pretty 24 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:21,369 interesting artifacts again Frank is a 25 00:01:25,980 --> 00:01:24,130 scientist and he's actively looking to 26 00:01:28,620 --> 00:01:25,990 find out what exactly he found in the 27 00:01:31,020 --> 00:01:28,630 desert he's had this material tested by 28 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:31,030 labs and the results so far have been 29 00:01:36,449 --> 00:01:33,490 pretty interesting to say the least 30 00:01:37,919 --> 00:01:36,459 but more testing is needed before Frank 31 00:01:40,710 --> 00:01:37,929 is ready to come out and say something 32 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:40,720 like the data supports the notion that 33 00:01:45,410 --> 00:01:42,970 this material was manufactured by 34 00:01:48,029 --> 00:01:45,420 intelligent extraterrestrials 35 00:01:50,279 --> 00:01:48,039 unfortunately he might not even get the 36 00:01:52,260 --> 00:01:50,289 chance to answer the question of whether 37 00:01:53,820 --> 00:01:52,270 the material is from an alien craft or 38 00:01:56,010 --> 00:01:53,830 something more mundane and earthly 39 00:01:58,559 --> 00:01:56,020 that's because the Bureau of Land 40 00:02:00,809 --> 00:01:58,569 Management has taken an interest in the 41 00:02:03,620 --> 00:02:00,819 samples he's collected and they've 42 00:02:05,669 --> 00:02:03,630 requested to see the material in person 43 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:05,679 Frank recently explained the situation 44 00:02:13,770 --> 00:02:10,929 to me holy smokes this is this is Jason 45 00:02:17,070 --> 00:02:13,780 this is absolutely this is insane stuff 46 00:02:19,670 --> 00:02:17,080 it really is and this this just happened 47 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:19,680 they just contacted you out of the blue 48 00:02:27,209 --> 00:02:23,610 no actually it wasn't out of the blue 49 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:27,219 this all started I sort of started this 50 00:02:36,510 --> 00:02:30,130 because I was having a 51 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:36,520 a bit of a feud the landowner yeah in 52 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:39,610 and it's the bogles and what happens is 53 00:02:44,940 --> 00:02:42,850 these three sisters and the Big Cheese 54 00:02:49,740 --> 00:02:44,950 of the three sisters her name is Lauren 55 00:02:53,310 --> 00:02:49,750 and so they basically took over the 56 00:02:56,210 --> 00:02:53,320 Bogle ranch now Lauren claims that she's 57 00:02:59,670 --> 00:02:56,220 a ranch and girl but she is actually 58 00:03:02,430 --> 00:02:59,680 probably a city slicker I don't know but 59 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:02,440 she has a marketing degree and he's 60 00:03:08,550 --> 00:03:05,290 fairly successful so she decided to 61 00:03:12,210 --> 00:03:08,560 exploit the crash like she's okay run 62 00:03:14,250 --> 00:03:12,220 tours right and we're to run tours out 63 00:03:18,270 --> 00:03:14,260 to the crash site and we're going to 64 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:18,280 charge $65 for the tour right for the 65 00:03:22,310 --> 00:03:20,050 poor people and then we're gonna charge 66 00:03:25,500 --> 00:03:22,320 this huge amount for the rich people and 67 00:03:27,690 --> 00:03:25,510 the VIP tour and we're gonna let him 68 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:27,700 we're gonna have metal detectors for 69 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:30,490 them to rent Wow well that's yeah I said 70 00:03:38,150 --> 00:03:33,210 well that set up a red flag for me a 71 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:38,160 commercialization site that's big know 72 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:42,010 Don Schmidt found out about it so he 73 00:03:46,220 --> 00:03:44,170 bitched and moaned to the BLM about them 74 00:03:48,750 --> 00:03:46,230 commercializing the site and not 75 00:03:50,940 --> 00:03:48,760 protecting the archeological aspects of 76 00:03:54,930 --> 00:03:50,950 it yeah and he must have rattled some 77 00:03:57,420 --> 00:03:54,940 cages because pretty soon Don Schmidt 78 00:03:59,340 --> 00:03:57,430 gets a telephone call from the BLM and 79 00:04:02,010 --> 00:03:59,350 how do I know this because Don called me 80 00:04:04,890 --> 00:04:02,020 yes Don Schmidt gets his telephone call 81 00:04:07,860 --> 00:04:04,900 from a lady by the name of Courtney 82 00:04:11,100 --> 00:04:07,870 she's the archaeologist at the BLM here 83 00:04:14,610 --> 00:04:11,110 in the Roswell district office so they 84 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:14,620 told basically that day but she told Don 85 00:04:18,660 --> 00:04:16,810 that she sort of kind of threatened him 86 00:04:20,940 --> 00:04:18,670 with you know you could go to jail you 87 00:04:23,970 --> 00:04:20,950 could go to prison we could find you all 88 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:23,980 kinds of crap that's what Don told me 89 00:04:31,950 --> 00:04:28,930 yeah then after that conversation um she 90 00:04:34,500 --> 00:04:31,960 called me and she was she got me on the 91 00:04:36,510 --> 00:04:34,510 phone and she says she says Frank she 92 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:36,520 says I understand that you have some 93 00:04:42,990 --> 00:04:40,450 concerns with the with the alleged crash 94 00:04:43,950 --> 00:04:43,000 site and I said yeah I do I said I I 95 00:04:50,730 --> 00:04:43,960 don't want 96 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:50,740 to be it needs to be protected and she 97 00:04:54,809 --> 00:04:52,330 says well I can guarantee you that 98 00:04:59,550 --> 00:04:54,819 nobody is going to go out to that site 99 00:05:02,909 --> 00:04:59,560 and I have full enforcement authority 100 00:05:05,909 --> 00:05:02,919 and nobody is going to go out there and 101 00:05:07,230 --> 00:05:05,919 and it's this no there's gonna be no 102 00:05:09,270 --> 00:05:07,240 metal attack being there's not going to 103 00:05:11,189 --> 00:05:09,280 be anything that happens and they're 104 00:05:13,529 --> 00:05:11,199 only gonna go to the monument right I 105 00:05:15,659 --> 00:05:13,539 said that's fair and then she says oh by 106 00:05:18,300 --> 00:05:15,669 the way we heard you we're going to take 107 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:18,310 some people out there and I said well 108 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:19,690 yeah I'm gonna take some people out 109 00:05:22,830 --> 00:05:21,130 there but I'm not going to be doing any 110 00:05:24,510 --> 00:05:22,840 metal detector right and it says well 111 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:24,520 you've metal detected before and it says 112 00:05:29,700 --> 00:05:28,330 well yeah probably and then she says was 113 00:05:31,290 --> 00:05:29,710 there anything you want to tell us or 114 00:05:36,420 --> 00:05:31,300 anything you want to share and I said no 115 00:05:39,180 --> 00:05:36,430 and she said okay I just want to inform 116 00:05:43,260 --> 00:05:39,190 you that this kind of act stuff needs to 117 00:05:44,969 --> 00:05:43,270 stop and and everything and so anyway 118 00:05:46,499 --> 00:05:44,979 that was the end she said something else 119 00:05:49,469 --> 00:05:46,509 I don't remember what it was but anyway 120 00:05:51,659 --> 00:05:49,479 kind of set up more red flags for me 121 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:51,669 about what said it was it was this whole 122 00:06:00,570 --> 00:05:55,330 enforcement thing again so what I did 123 00:06:05,339 --> 00:06:00,580 was that following day which was about a 124 00:06:09,870 --> 00:06:05,349 week ago I said you know what I'm gonna 125 00:06:11,219 --> 00:06:09,880 go down and talk to them so I went down 126 00:06:13,140 --> 00:06:11,229 first I emailed them and nobody 127 00:06:14,820 --> 00:06:13,150 responded and then I called them up 128 00:06:15,990 --> 00:06:14,830 nobody responded so I just dropped in I 129 00:06:17,909 --> 00:06:16,000 made sure I was there early in the 130 00:06:20,149 --> 00:06:17,919 morning I said hey I want to talk to I 131 00:06:23,219 --> 00:06:20,159 want to talk to Kourtney and and or 132 00:06:27,510 --> 00:06:23,229 Blaine or plan there or whatever his 133 00:06:30,510 --> 00:06:27,520 name is he's the the the Kourtney is the 134 00:06:33,290 --> 00:06:30,520 archaeologist and Blaine probably 135 00:06:36,659 --> 00:06:33,300 getting his name wrong is there 136 00:06:38,670 --> 00:06:36,669 recreational specialist so they came out 137 00:06:41,430 --> 00:06:38,680 in the lobby and I'm talking to him 138 00:06:44,580 --> 00:06:41,440 and I said I need to I need to get 139 00:06:47,610 --> 00:06:44,590 clarification on something so I was 140 00:06:49,879 --> 00:06:47,620 talking to her in what I asked her I 141 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:49,889 says let me ask you a question I says 142 00:06:56,219 --> 00:06:53,650 has the status of the beat of the 143 00:06:57,909 --> 00:06:56,229 alleged press like changed and she says 144 00:07:01,020 --> 00:06:57,919 as not a nice 145 00:07:05,379 --> 00:07:01,030 the BLM did a resource planning 146 00:07:07,869 --> 00:07:05,389 evaluation planning thing on it back in 147 00:07:10,390 --> 00:07:07,879 1979 have you guys amended that or 148 00:07:12,879 --> 00:07:10,400 change that she says no it's in that and 149 00:07:16,239 --> 00:07:12,889 then then she asked then I asked for 150 00:07:18,610 --> 00:07:16,249 another question and I says so this is 151 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:18,620 not an archaeologically protected site I 152 00:07:25,089 --> 00:07:22,610 said no I says it isn't NSO right and 153 00:07:26,980 --> 00:07:25,099 Insano stands for no surface occupation 154 00:07:30,909 --> 00:07:26,990 she says yes but she's answering all my 155 00:07:32,830 --> 00:07:30,919 questions and I says then I threw a 156 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:32,840 document number out to her and I says 157 00:07:37,629 --> 00:07:35,090 well according to CRS whatever blah blah 158 00:07:40,510 --> 00:07:37,639 blah the American antiquities Act it 159 00:07:42,129 --> 00:07:40,520 basically says that anything that you 160 00:07:44,260 --> 00:07:42,139 picked up that is less than a hundred 161 00:07:47,499 --> 00:07:44,270 years old is not considered a historical 162 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:47,509 artifact she says that is true she says 163 00:07:50,050 --> 00:07:49,250 there's also another one when I says 164 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:50,060 which one is that 165 00:07:55,749 --> 00:07:53,449 she said oh this one was 1969 and it's 166 00:07:57,670 --> 00:07:55,759 the historical cultural resource so 167 00:08:00,790 --> 00:07:57,680 whatever she quoted that and says that 168 00:08:06,129 --> 00:08:00,800 one says fifty years and I'm going oh 169 00:08:10,719 --> 00:08:06,139 really and so I said I didn't know that 170 00:08:13,119 --> 00:08:10,729 and so she says well tell me what you 171 00:08:14,769 --> 00:08:13,129 have so I said you know what it's pretty 172 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:14,779 easy to I mean you can go google my name 173 00:08:19,300 --> 00:08:16,490 and you come up with all kinds of things 174 00:08:21,219 --> 00:08:19,310 that I found out at the crash site so I 175 00:08:24,700 --> 00:08:21,229 can't hide that from you guys but I do 176 00:08:27,999 --> 00:08:24,710 have I do have some material and she 177 00:08:30,339 --> 00:08:28,009 says well I need to I need to run this 178 00:08:35,019 --> 00:08:30,349 by well I also mentioned I said you know 179 00:08:37,750 --> 00:08:35,029 what are you guys gonna confiscate this 180 00:08:39,850 --> 00:08:37,760 stuff she said it's not up to me 181 00:08:41,500 --> 00:08:39,860 it's it's up to our enforcement officer 182 00:08:43,569 --> 00:08:41,510 and he's not in right now you're gonna 183 00:08:45,550 --> 00:08:43,579 have to wear I'm gonna have to review 184 00:08:50,410 --> 00:08:45,560 that with him and I says well you know 185 00:08:52,300 --> 00:08:50,420 I'm one step away from proving the 186 00:08:54,430 --> 00:08:52,310 existence of extraterrestrials at the 187 00:08:58,360 --> 00:08:54,440 Roswell crash site and I told her about 188 00:09:00,579 --> 00:08:58,370 a little 3% molybdenum that I had found 189 00:09:02,620 --> 00:09:00,589 or not I found but was found in a you 190 00:09:05,439 --> 00:09:02,630 know on a test that was done through the 191 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:05,449 Smithsonian Institute through their 192 00:09:09,670 --> 00:09:07,970 documentary and I says I have a few 193 00:09:11,740 --> 00:09:09,680 other things that need to be tested too 194 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:11,750 and I says if you guys conference 195 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:14,330 the material that shuts my research 196 00:09:20,680 --> 00:09:18,650 completely down and then she said 197 00:09:22,540 --> 00:09:20,690 something well she says I think that's 198 00:09:24,310 --> 00:09:22,550 probably the least of your worries right 199 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:24,320 now and I says well tell me what my 200 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:26,930 worries are and then she said probably 201 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:28,610 getting your permit because I talked to 202 00:09:36,310 --> 00:09:31,850 her about getting a permit to do an 203 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:36,320 actual scientific thing and such so then 204 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:38,450 she says well I'm gonna have to run this 205 00:09:45,190 --> 00:09:43,970 by my my enforcement officer now I says 206 00:09:48,250 --> 00:09:45,200 does this mean you're gonna break my 207 00:09:49,900 --> 00:09:48,260 door down and she says no does that 208 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:49,910 require she was kind of smaug is that 209 00:09:55,380 --> 00:09:51,650 required a lot of paperwork to do that 210 00:09:58,360 --> 00:09:55,390 and a lot of to do a search warrant and 211 00:09:59,620 --> 00:09:58,370 she says you seem to be pretty something 212 00:10:01,540 --> 00:09:59,630 like you know you're nice or whatever 213 00:10:04,180 --> 00:10:01,550 like you know that's cordial kind of 214 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:04,190 person that's as nice as I all abide by 215 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:06,170 whatever you guys want and and she says 216 00:10:08,860 --> 00:10:07,370 well I don't want you to go back out 217 00:10:11,050 --> 00:10:08,870 there and this says no I'm not gonna go 218 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:11,060 out there and you have my word on and I 219 00:10:15,430 --> 00:10:14,090 will not go looking for things with the 220 00:10:15,850 --> 00:10:15,440 muddled effector out there and she says 221 00:10:18,579 --> 00:10:15,860 okay 222 00:10:21,730 --> 00:10:18,589 and I says nor hit like commercially 223 00:10:24,370 --> 00:10:21,740 exploited it in any way and she says I 224 00:10:27,730 --> 00:10:24,380 needed to hear that really bad and she 225 00:10:31,810 --> 00:10:27,740 also said that the resource specialist 226 00:10:33,030 --> 00:10:31,820 which was there as well she said and he 227 00:10:37,329 --> 00:10:33,040 needed to hear that 228 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:37,339 so that sort of ended the conversation I 229 00:10:40,690 --> 00:10:39,050 thought this was a done deal because it 230 00:10:42,579 --> 00:10:40,700 was last life didn't think she didn't do 231 00:10:45,130 --> 00:10:42,589 any more so I get this telephone call a 232 00:10:48,010 --> 00:10:45,140 couple of days ago says hi this is 233 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:48,020 Courtney with BLM and we want you to 234 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:49,730 bring your artifacts in so our 235 00:10:54,579 --> 00:10:52,370 enforcement officer could look at it and 236 00:10:56,310 --> 00:10:54,589 I said okay when and she says that I 237 00:10:59,890 --> 00:10:56,320 said tomorrow is no Monday 238 00:11:01,600 --> 00:10:59,900 how about 10:30 10:15 10:30 and I said 239 00:11:04,450 --> 00:11:01,610 no that's okay Monday all I'll bring 240 00:11:07,470 --> 00:11:04,460 down the material that I have and that 241 00:11:11,910 --> 00:11:07,480 was the end of that and then I'm going 242 00:11:16,570 --> 00:11:11,920 okay well this could be a prelude to 243 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:16,580 confiscation and or a find and it's kind 244 00:11:25,570 --> 00:11:20,770 of scared me but I also emailed her a 245 00:11:27,580 --> 00:11:25,580 document and this is what really irks me 246 00:11:29,530 --> 00:11:27,590 because there is a document out there 247 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:29,540 and you can go out and Google this 248 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:33,050 document it's called collecting on 249 00:11:36,490 --> 00:11:34,610 public land 250 00:11:39,010 --> 00:11:36,500 that's the name collecting on public 251 00:11:42,210 --> 00:11:39,020 land Bureau of Land Management it's like 252 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:42,220 the first thing that comes up in Google 253 00:11:48,850 --> 00:11:45,730 yet click on it has this beautiful 254 00:11:50,860 --> 00:11:48,860 little pamphlet that pops up with a 255 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:50,870 gecko lizard on it and it says 256 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:54,170 collecting on public land BLM and it's 257 00:11:59,110 --> 00:11:56,930 got it's from their website but it's if 258 00:12:00,880 --> 00:11:59,120 actually the nevada BLM but other 259 00:12:03,550 --> 00:12:00,890 offices use it because I've seen it 260 00:12:06,940 --> 00:12:03,560 published elsewhere this is the nicest 261 00:12:10,090 --> 00:12:06,950 one and if you read through it it gets 262 00:12:13,990 --> 00:12:10,100 down to a section that's called cultural 263 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:14,000 artifacts and metal detecting Jason it 264 00:12:21,460 --> 00:12:16,730 clearly says in their own blasted 265 00:12:23,380 --> 00:12:21,470 document as long as artifacts are less 266 00:12:26,770 --> 00:12:23,390 than a hundred years old 267 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:26,780 you can collect them by using a metal 268 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:30,250 detector and according to that document 269 00:12:36,190 --> 00:12:33,170 everything I've done is illegal right 270 00:12:38,290 --> 00:12:36,200 right and this is this now I sent that 271 00:12:39,490 --> 00:12:38,300 document to her she didn't respond if 272 00:12:41,380 --> 00:12:39,500 she ever received it maybe she I 273 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:41,390 mentioned it to her during our 274 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:43,730 conversation she says I would really 275 00:12:48,670 --> 00:12:46,970 like to see that document and I sent it 276 00:12:50,950 --> 00:12:48,680 to her but she never responded to it 277 00:12:53,620 --> 00:12:50,960 that kind of irks me a little bit that 278 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:53,630 she didn't respond it also hurts me 279 00:13:01,510 --> 00:12:57,410 because she might be trying to use this 280 00:13:03,430 --> 00:13:01,520 50-year rule but it also says then every 281 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:03,440 single antiquities document that the 282 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:05,330 United States has and this is another 283 00:13:11,560 --> 00:13:06,050 clincher 284 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:11,570 it says artifacts of human origin 285 00:13:16,450 --> 00:13:13,970 doesn't say anything about birds doesn't 286 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:16,460 say anything about turtles reptiles 287 00:13:21,810 --> 00:13:19,850 it says of human origin so if the 288 00:13:24,070 --> 00:13:21,820 material that I have is of 289 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:24,080 extraterrestrial origin then all of the 290 00:13:30,730 --> 00:13:26,210 laws the United States are in fact a 291 00:13:33,190 --> 00:13:30,740 mute point so that goes back to well 292 00:13:34,090 --> 00:13:33,200 these things that I picked up out there 293 00:13:36,090 --> 00:13:34,100 are very tiny 294 00:13:38,620 --> 00:13:36,100 they could be trash it could be 295 00:13:39,380 --> 00:13:38,630 extraterrestrial some of them are 296 00:13:40,790 --> 00:13:39,390 anomalous 297 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:40,800 we're gonna get some more testing done 298 00:13:48,710 --> 00:13:45,290 on it but if the BLM takes the material 299 00:13:50,930 --> 00:13:48,720 then the issue comes in that what's 300 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:50,940 gonna happen to the research and how in 301 00:13:55,700 --> 00:13:53,250 the heck can I pull this off if I don't 302 00:13:57,560 --> 00:13:55,710 have it she just smiles and says well if 303 00:13:59,660 --> 00:13:57,570 we take it you'll still have access to 304 00:14:02,770 --> 00:13:59,670 it I got one thing to say about that 305 00:14:05,270 --> 00:14:02,780 excuse my language [\h__\h] right 306 00:14:07,460 --> 00:14:05,280 because you know as well as I do that 307 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:07,470 anything that has an alien stamp on it 308 00:14:10,190 --> 00:14:08,970 the government's gonna snag it and 309 00:14:11,690 --> 00:14:10,200 they're gonna lose it and it's going to 310 00:14:14,780 --> 00:14:11,700 disappear off the face of the planet 311 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:14,790 nobody will ever see you like that story 312 00:14:20,090 --> 00:14:17,130 so I've been I've been posting all of 313 00:14:25,940 --> 00:14:20,100 this stuff on Facebook and it has gone 314 00:14:30,050 --> 00:14:25,950 crazy so that's the story this is all 315 00:14:33,980 --> 00:14:30,060 very irritating I bet I I'm sitting here 316 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:33,990 going am I gonna get fined 317 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:36,330 right um are they going to put me in 318 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:40,770 jail I already spoke to my work about it 319 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:42,570 because it's gone all the way to that 320 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:44,130 it's gone all the way that since I work 321 00:14:49,310 --> 00:14:45,690 in a military school it's gone all the 322 00:14:51,860 --> 00:14:49,320 way to the top right and one of their 323 00:14:54,590 --> 00:14:51,870 one of the generals came up to me and 324 00:14:57,410 --> 00:14:54,600 basically said I I asked him I says you 325 00:14:58,880 --> 00:14:57,420 know is my job like gonna be in trouble 326 00:15:01,100 --> 00:14:58,890 or something because of this he says 327 00:15:03,590 --> 00:15:01,110 what this is much to do about nothing I 328 00:15:05,060 --> 00:15:03,600 don't think so so he was very nice and I 329 00:15:07,070 --> 00:15:05,070 says if you need some help and just let 330 00:15:08,930 --> 00:15:07,080 me know so okay so the hierarchy knows 331 00:15:10,550 --> 00:15:08,940 what's going on they're just keeping a 332 00:15:11,870 --> 00:15:10,560 low profile they let me deal with it 333 00:15:13,460 --> 00:15:11,880 which is good then they told me I was 334 00:15:16,790 --> 00:15:13,470 winning some kind of an award I have no 335 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:16,800 idea what awarded it that they kind of 336 00:15:20,270 --> 00:15:18,330 said oops and I'm going well must have 337 00:15:23,690 --> 00:15:20,280 done something right over here so right 338 00:15:25,970 --> 00:15:23,700 and you know the feelings that are going 339 00:15:28,940 --> 00:15:25,980 through my my it's weird 340 00:15:31,850 --> 00:15:28,950 one of them is fear one of them is being 341 00:15:34,460 --> 00:15:31,860 scared the one of them is elation I 342 00:15:36,050 --> 00:15:34,470 guess because I'm getting and I started 343 00:15:39,590 --> 00:15:36,060 it basically I'm getting a lot of media 344 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:39,600 attention on this sure I'm really hoping 345 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:42,570 that that that the media people will 346 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:43,250 show up 347 00:15:49,910 --> 00:15:47,130 this started making me think that maybe 348 00:15:52,310 --> 00:15:49,920 the government really is pulling some 349 00:15:54,020 --> 00:15:52,320 strings somewhere in trying to shut down 350 00:15:58,160 --> 00:15:54,030 my research I mean what would somebody 351 00:16:00,490 --> 00:15:58,170 think Jason would you think that it yeah 352 00:16:03,470 --> 00:16:00,500 I mean it certainly would raise flags 353 00:16:05,330 --> 00:16:03,480 and I'm going now and mandating this 354 00:16:06,710 --> 00:16:05,340 this meeting and to bring your material 355 00:16:07,210 --> 00:16:06,720 so they can be reviewed it's very 356 00:16:11,630 --> 00:16:07,220 strange 357 00:16:13,850 --> 00:16:11,640 these other people just backing down 358 00:16:16,340 --> 00:16:13,860 because they don't want to they don't 359 00:16:18,740 --> 00:16:16,350 want to do the media coverage about the 360 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:18,750 four that I was kind of hoping that all 361 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:20,970 of Roswell would show up for support for 362 00:16:25,310 --> 00:16:22,290 me but now I don't know if anybody's 363 00:16:27,860 --> 00:16:25,320 going to show up so although I heard I 364 00:16:29,450 --> 00:16:27,870 heard a little little bird say that may 365 00:16:31,550 --> 00:16:29,460 be a good morning America might show up 366 00:16:35,150 --> 00:16:31,560 that would be exciting I would love that 367 00:16:36,770 --> 00:16:35,160 yeah um I would love CNN and Fox and 368 00:16:38,630 --> 00:16:36,780 everything because you know what in this 369 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:38,640 particular case I really think that the 370 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:41,730 BLM is dead wrong simply because of that 371 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:43,770 one pamphlet that says it's okay to pick 372 00:16:47,990 --> 00:16:45,330 up stuff that's a hundred years over 373 00:16:50,180 --> 00:16:48,000 absolutely I mean it lays it out that 374 00:16:52,610 --> 00:16:50,190 metal detecting is just fine and you can 375 00:16:55,490 --> 00:16:52,620 pick up all the stuff as long as it's 376 00:16:57,380 --> 00:16:55,500 less than a hundred years old I mean I 377 00:16:59,000 --> 00:16:57,390 don't know how you get clearer than that 378 00:17:00,770 --> 00:16:59,010 and you're right I mean what do they 379 00:17:02,750 --> 00:17:00,780 know that you don't know do they know 380 00:17:06,590 --> 00:17:02,760 that it's more than a hundred years old 381 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:06,600 they don't know and what what's gonna 382 00:17:11,179 --> 00:17:08,970 happen is I'm gonna show them I'm going 383 00:17:12,290 --> 00:17:11,189 to show them the pieces some of it not 384 00:17:13,730 --> 00:17:12,300 all of them but I'm going to show them 385 00:17:15,470 --> 00:17:13,740 some of the pieces that I picked up out 386 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:15,480 there representative sample of all of 387 00:17:21,500 --> 00:17:19,170 them and they're gonna see the material 388 00:17:23,420 --> 00:17:21,510 I'm gonna say now you guys have I'm not 389 00:17:25,069 --> 00:17:23,430 gonna ask I'm gonna answer any questions 390 00:17:26,449 --> 00:17:25,079 for them but I don't care who hears this 391 00:17:28,310 --> 00:17:26,459 I mean I'm just going to show it and I 392 00:17:30,140 --> 00:17:28,320 says well here's here's the trash from 393 00:17:31,670 --> 00:17:30,150 the Roswell debris field you guys figure 394 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:31,680 out which one of these is alien and 395 00:17:37,430 --> 00:17:35,370 which one is not now that's hard to do 396 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:37,440 because you have tested all the testing 397 00:17:41,930 --> 00:17:40,050 is expensive Jason I've got three maybe 398 00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:41,940 four different kinds of aluminum alloys 399 00:17:47,620 --> 00:17:43,740 they're out there some of it may very 400 00:17:50,060 --> 00:17:47,630 well be aluminum trash from campers or 401 00:17:52,490 --> 00:17:50,070 whatever other parts of it could be 402 00:17:54,500 --> 00:17:52,500 pieces of an alien spacecraft well the 403 00:17:56,780 --> 00:17:54,510 only way to test this stuff is to test 404 00:17:59,360 --> 00:17:56,790 all of it right and it would cost them a 405 00:18:01,550 --> 00:17:59,370 huge pile of money to test at all yeah 406 00:18:03,050 --> 00:18:01,560 and if the government has a thing and I 407 00:18:06,140 --> 00:18:03,060 test it because they don't give a flying 408 00:18:08,450 --> 00:18:06,150 here yeah well this is wild and I 409 00:18:12,050 --> 00:18:08,460 I guess more answers will will come 410 00:18:13,610 --> 00:18:12,060 after Monday right know what they're 411 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:13,620 going to do what's gonna come of all 412 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:15,810 this I may have blown this all out of 413 00:18:19,850 --> 00:18:17,730 proportion but I really hope that the 414 00:18:22,070 --> 00:18:19,860 Bureau of Land Management is getting 415 00:18:24,470 --> 00:18:22,080 there I'm hoping that their emails have 416 00:18:27,490 --> 00:18:24,480 exploded in their phone service has shut 417 00:18:30,890 --> 00:18:27,500 down from anybody calling them up I 418 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:30,900 don't know and I I don't know what's 419 00:18:37,870 --> 00:18:33,570 going to happen on Monday in which case 420 00:18:42,260 --> 00:18:37,880 whatever happens let's put it this way 421 00:18:45,050 --> 00:18:42,270 if the BLM considers this stuff it's 422 00:18:48,470 --> 00:18:45,060 everyday common trash is just laying 423 00:18:52,250 --> 00:18:48,480 around out in a field and they don't do 424 00:18:55,070 --> 00:18:52,260 anything about it then I will say you 425 00:18:56,870 --> 00:18:55,080 know that BLM is really fair and I will 426 00:18:58,580 --> 00:18:56,880 treat them with utmost respect 427 00:19:00,560 --> 00:18:58,590 I've not bashed them I haven't bashed 428 00:19:04,190 --> 00:19:00,570 him at all I've simply said that what 429 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:04,200 they're doing is kind of unfair so if 430 00:19:09,260 --> 00:19:07,530 they do that if they do that part and 431 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:09,270 they just let it go then I'll be happy 432 00:19:13,610 --> 00:19:11,850 I'm kind of thinking that maybe they 433 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:13,620 won't that they might try to set an 434 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:16,050 example I don't know but I do have that 435 00:19:21,770 --> 00:19:18,210 one document that says that it's okay to 436 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:21,780 do it if they so if they do that part 437 00:19:28,070 --> 00:19:25,770 then no no harm no foul and then I will 438 00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:28,080 send really nice things out reference to 439 00:19:32,360 --> 00:19:29,760 the BLM and I will give them my full 440 00:19:35,660 --> 00:19:32,370 support I will share all of my data with 441 00:19:38,660 --> 00:19:35,670 them all of the research that I've done 442 00:19:40,460 --> 00:19:38,670 we'll go we'll go to them besides it's 443 00:19:42,020 --> 00:19:40,470 available to the public anybody can have 444 00:19:42,380 --> 00:19:42,030 it but once it I don't hide any of that 445 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:42,390 stuff 446 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:45,090 you know that I will give them 447 00:19:48,860 --> 00:19:47,130 everything that I've got and they can 448 00:19:52,130 --> 00:19:48,870 put it in their files and keep it for 449 00:19:53,810 --> 00:19:52,140 posterity and they can they can set it 450 00:19:54,590 --> 00:19:53,820 up a matter of fact it might help the 451 00:19:57,410 --> 00:19:54,600 BLM 452 00:19:59,750 --> 00:19:57,420 set the area as an archaeological as a 453 00:20:02,050 --> 00:19:59,760 protected archaeological site which is 454 00:20:04,430 --> 00:20:02,060 really what I would like to see done 455 00:20:07,340 --> 00:20:04,440 because I think I have enough research 456 00:20:10,060 --> 00:20:07,350 to sort of help prove some things and 457 00:20:12,470 --> 00:20:10,070 the research that I would do on that 458 00:20:15,890 --> 00:20:12,480 complete complete the research that I'm 459 00:20:18,740 --> 00:20:15,900 doing and make it make it a true 460 00:20:20,060 --> 00:20:18,750 monument and that that's a doable thing 461 00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:20,070 how 462 00:20:26,779 --> 00:20:24,240 if it takes the other path if they 463 00:20:28,340 --> 00:20:26,789 decide you're going to find me and I 464 00:20:30,110 --> 00:20:28,350 don't know how is I don't think it would 465 00:20:32,149 --> 00:20:30,120 stand up with that one document that I 466 00:20:34,370 --> 00:20:32,159 can that I'm going to pull out during 467 00:20:38,510 --> 00:20:34,380 the meeting with them if they decide 468 00:20:41,180 --> 00:20:38,520 they're going to be mean then then we'll 469 00:20:44,450 --> 00:20:41,190 say all hell breaks loose and I've 470 00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:44,460 already got the backings a couple of 471 00:20:49,159 --> 00:20:46,559 really big attorneys that are out there 472 00:20:52,279 --> 00:20:49,169 and I will go to the American Civil 473 00:20:55,130 --> 00:20:52,289 Liberties Union I will this will be the 474 00:20:58,250 --> 00:20:55,140 biggest fiasco that the BLM has ever 475 00:21:00,350 --> 00:20:58,260 seen and I can guarantee that I don't 476 00:21:02,330 --> 00:21:00,360 care if they have good lawyers they will 477 00:21:04,220 --> 00:21:02,340 lose and that's a guarantee and I'll 478 00:21:06,139 --> 00:21:04,230 still come out on top although I might 479 00:21:08,210 --> 00:21:06,149 lose the material in the process which 480 00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:08,220 would be set that would be I mean that's 481 00:21:10,970 --> 00:21:09,840 that there would be the the saddest 482 00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:10,980 thing that could come out of this right 483 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:12,240 I mean we don't want to lose the 484 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:15,570 research um and you're right I mean 485 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:17,370 these things have disappeared before and 486 00:21:21,409 --> 00:21:19,490 that would just be absolutely 487 00:21:23,210 --> 00:21:21,419 devastating and I know you've worked so 488 00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:23,220 hard on this and and we all want to see 489 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:25,679 it through the end but I mean yeah I 490 00:21:29,149 --> 00:21:26,970 guess there are so many different 491 00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:29,159 outcomes that could happen but I guess 492 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:30,720 we'll have to wait and wait and find out 493 00:21:35,060 --> 00:21:33,090 I know and that's that's might be the 494 00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:35,070 thing that the newspaper is waiting for 495 00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:36,480 they want to see how this is gonna play 496 00:21:40,279 --> 00:21:38,880 out you know is Frank gonna get an even 497 00:21:43,460 --> 00:21:40,289 more trouble are they gonna let it go 498 00:21:45,230 --> 00:21:43,470 right so maybe they're just waiting for 499 00:21:46,010 --> 00:21:45,240 that maybe I'm blowing this all out of 500 00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:46,020 proportion 501 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:49,679 let's hope yeah let's hope it's really 502 00:21:55,549 --> 00:21:50,730 blowing this all out of proportion 503 00:21:58,010 --> 00:21:55,559 because it's I wanted to protect myself 504 00:21:59,840 --> 00:21:58,020 in these days the best way to protect 505 00:22:02,320 --> 00:21:59,850 yourself is to get as much media 506 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:02,330 coverage as you can possibly get in 507 00:22:08,330 --> 00:22:06,450 basically Facebook at Twitter it do 508 00:22:11,659 --> 00:22:08,340 everything you can to get the name out 509 00:22:13,310 --> 00:22:11,669 there as fast as possible then then they 510 00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:13,320 have a and they have a tough time to 511 00:22:18,110 --> 00:22:15,600 deal with with stuff then it makes them 512 00:22:21,289 --> 00:22:18,120 sort of kinda in a way look like the bad 513 00:22:23,389 --> 00:22:21,299 guys and I don't want the Bureau of Land 514 00:22:26,779 --> 00:22:23,399 Management to look like the bad guys and 515 00:22:29,149 --> 00:22:26,789 like I said I will work with them and 516 00:22:32,269 --> 00:22:29,159 give them every all the research I've 517 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:32,279 got that they need to let this go so 518 00:22:34,919 --> 00:22:33,490 that I can either prove 519 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:34,929 stuff is trash to prove that it's 520 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:37,210 extraterrestrial and that's what they 521 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:39,850 need to let me do and I can't do it if 522 00:22:44,430 --> 00:22:41,730 the material is under their control 523 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:44,440 right and it would be nice if they would 524 00:22:48,540 --> 00:22:45,730 give you something more concrete than 525 00:22:50,580 --> 00:22:48,550 well maybe the reason that we want to 526 00:22:52,980 --> 00:22:50,590 see this stuff is because maybe 527 00:22:57,330 --> 00:22:52,990 something that a document from the 60s 528 00:22:59,700 --> 00:22:57,340 says you know they need to be more more 529 00:23:01,560 --> 00:22:59,710 direct with you with you know the 530 00:23:03,090 --> 00:23:01,570 purpose of them pulling you in and the 531 00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:03,100 objections they have to anything that 532 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:05,200 you've done they've never demanded 533 00:23:10,110 --> 00:23:07,090 anything this is voluntary I mean I 534 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:10,120 don't have to go there but I am a man of 535 00:23:14,669 --> 00:23:12,250 my word and I told them on the phone I 536 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:14,679 says yeah I'll bring I'll bring the 537 00:23:19,260 --> 00:23:16,690 material down that I found out there and 538 00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:19,270 I'll let your officer take a look at it 539 00:23:24,570 --> 00:23:22,000 but they have to make that determination 540 00:23:28,410 --> 00:23:24,580 whether this stuff is worthwhile for 541 00:23:30,510 --> 00:23:28,420 them to pursue on whatever they use as 542 00:23:32,460 --> 00:23:30,520 their ground their 50-year rule for 543 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:32,470 cultural artifacts which I can't stand 544 00:23:39,210 --> 00:23:34,450 you know what this is funny Jason I know 545 00:23:42,180 --> 00:23:39,220 I'm rambling on but gosh darn um the 546 00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:42,190 50-year old rule as a cultural artifact 547 00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:46,240 means that me I'm 61 I can actually 548 00:23:50,970 --> 00:23:49,360 register myself as a historical cultural 549 00:23:53,330 --> 00:23:50,980 artifact what do you think you think I 550 00:23:56,790 --> 00:23:53,340 should do that 551 00:23:59,310 --> 00:23:56,800 well you are to me Frank I could be that 552 00:24:01,230 --> 00:23:59,320 I could be a protected archaeological 553 00:24:03,299 --> 00:24:01,240 resource you can't touch me you can't 554 00:24:05,820 --> 00:24:03,309 arrest me because you don't have the 555 00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:05,830 proper curation facilities in order to 556 00:24:09,660 --> 00:24:07,809 take care of me because I'm a protected 557 00:24:11,910 --> 00:24:09,670 resource I think that would be cool and 558 00:24:13,950 --> 00:24:11,920 I think every I think everybody that's 559 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:13,960 older than 50 years old should make an 560 00:24:17,940 --> 00:24:16,090 application to that and then they could 561 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:17,950 probably never be put in prison because 562 00:24:23,250 --> 00:24:19,690 there's no way that they could curate 563 00:24:25,049 --> 00:24:23,260 you to take care of you as a protected 564 00:24:26,850 --> 00:24:25,059 archaeological research which tells you 565 00:24:28,590 --> 00:24:26,860 how stupid some of the US laws are 566 00:24:31,799 --> 00:24:28,600 that's pretty funny yeah you should do 567 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:31,809 that Frank it's done I heard everyone to 568 00:24:35,660 --> 00:24:33,490 do that that's older than 50 if you 569 00:24:37,650 --> 00:24:35,670 register as an archaeological resource 570 00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:37,660 well I'm sorry you're having to deal 571 00:24:42,490 --> 00:24:40,370 with this that's so unfortunate and 572 00:24:44,980 --> 00:24:42,500 you know I can't wait to hear what the 573 00:24:49,390 --> 00:24:44,990 resolution is if I ever hear from you 574 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:49,400 again Frank well yeah I told the general 575 00:24:53,650 --> 00:24:51,890 one of the I told the general that says 576 00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:53,660 I was getting some award I says is that 577 00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:56,000 going to be before or after I I'm in 578 00:24:59,650 --> 00:24:58,010 jail and he just laughed he said he says 579 00:25:05,370 --> 00:24:59,660 I don't think anything's gonna come of 580 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:07,720 this is indeed an interesting 581 00:25:13,390 --> 00:25:10,490 development in Frank's research again 582 00:25:15,970 --> 00:25:13,400 he's always been very public with what 583 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:15,980 he's found and how he found it and the 584 00:25:20,830 --> 00:25:18,770 testing he's having done why does the 585 00:25:24,580 --> 00:25:20,840 BLM have an interest in these artifacts 586 00:25:26,970 --> 00:25:24,590 now like Frank said the BLM pamphlet 587 00:25:29,950 --> 00:25:26,980 titled collecting on public lands 588 00:25:33,070 --> 00:25:29,960 explicitly states that metal detector 589 00:25:35,790 --> 00:25:33,080 use is permitted and that artifacts more 590 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:35,800 than 100 years old may not be collected 591 00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:38,690 does the BLM plan to conduct their own 592 00:25:43,260 --> 00:25:40,370 testing on these samples to determine 593 00:25:46,210 --> 00:25:43,270 age it's weird 594 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:46,220 we'll just have to wait and see what if 595 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:48,770 anything comes of this after Frank's 596 00:25:54,190 --> 00:25:51,770 meeting with the BLM even he admits that 597 00:25:56,669 --> 00:25:54,200 he may very well be blowing this all out 598 00:25:59,169 --> 00:25:56,679 of proportion and nothing will happen 599 00:26:03,130 --> 00:25:59,179 that's what I'm suspecting will be the 600 00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:03,140 case at least I hope it will we'll 601 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:04,640 update you on this story as it develops 602 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:07,010 and I'll catch up with Frank when I'm at 603 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:09,410 the Roswell UFO festival July 6 through 604 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:12,050 the 8th all the info for that event is 605 00:26:17,530 --> 00:26:15,530 at UFO festival Roswell calm that's all 606 00:26:19,419 --> 00:26:17,540 for this episode of unknown this show 607 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:19,429 was produced by rogue planet rogue 608 00:26:24,490 --> 00:26:21,530 planet TV is where we explore and 609 00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:24,500 celebrate all the strange you can find 610 00:26:28,510 --> 00:26:25,910 rogue planet on Twitter and Instagram 611 00:26:31,030 --> 00:26:28,520 and you can join in the conversation in 612 00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:31,040 a rogue planet Facebook group you can 613 00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:33,110 always email me at Jason at rogue planet 614 00:26:40,780 --> 00:26:36,080 TV on me on Facebook and I'm on Twitter 615 00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:40,790 at a centric that's a Cee Cee en TR I 616 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:43,760 see thanks again to Frank for taking the 617 00:26:45,730 --> 00:26:45,290 time to fill us in on this developing 618 00:26:47,530 --> 00:26:45,740 story 619 00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:47,540 and thank you for hanging out with me 620 00:26:52,530 --> 00:26:50,240 today I'm Jason McClellan do me a favor